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I turned in my dissertation last week! I'll officially be a doctor on 9/1/2008. Woot! :)

Now on to writing the journal version...and then maybe my academic obligations will be fully discharged. I expect that this won't be quite as taxing, since it's mostly going to involve cutting stuff and refining it so that it flows smoothly.

In other news, I signed up for a pencil drawing & sketching class at my local tech school, so I'll be happily sketching away this fall! I've been self-taught up to this point, but it's long been a dream of mine to get some official training, maybe move on to learning how to use color (oooh!)

jcobleigh and I have started watching the first season of Stargate: Atlantis on DVD. It's fun watching the characters in their earlier years. First few eps are surprisingly good. The show doesn't reach the heights of the new Battlestar Galactica or Babylon 5, but it's roughly equivalent to the generic sci-fi fun, refreshingly non-soap-operatic, occasionally interesting thoughts of Stargate: SG-1, so I'm satisfied.

God (and life) is good.


You just pushed a button, so here we go:


"Mr. and Mrs. John Doe"?!!

It makes the woman look like she's just disappeared inside the guy and is a nameless, faceless entity! I don't suppose "Mrs. and Mr. Jane Doe" would feel terribly appealing to a guy, either!

There should be no reason, except for the expected mindset of people in our grandparents' generation (and perhaps a few hangers-on from our parents' generation) to address things to anyone other than "Mr. John and Mrs. Jane Doe", if we must be formal about such things. If a woman doesn't take on her husband's last name (or ::gasp:: doesn't marry him at all), she would certainly be given her own name in the address. Married women aren't choosing to disappear, they're just choosing consistency.

Same with "Dr. and Mrs.", "Dr. and Mr.", and "Drs."

"The Drs. Doe" looks all weird and funky, so I think I prefer that. :)

But "Dr. John and Dr. Jane Doe" is fine, as is "Drs. John and Jane Doe".

Defenestration my ass, it should never be about the big fancy female learnin' stuff, but rather the essential fact that she's separate and equally deserving of recognition, no matter her age or level of education.

Personally, except when in "really formal" situations, I prefer "Ms.". "Mr." doesn't reveal anything about sexual availability, so why should the feminine address be forced to?

Can you believe women in this day and age are picking consistency??
Tsk Tsk Tsk


(my cousin's getting married...i *rant* here)

I like "The Doctors Doe". It's very impressive.

I know! It is a shame! I didn't want to hyphenate, the new surname is more interesting than my maiden name, and I wanted us both to have the same last name as our kids, so we'd be easily identifiable. How does it work in T&T / Muslim culture?
I know...I heard your "excuse" so that's why I'm ranting safely here. Don't want to tease my cousin just in case she ... well ... it's hard when you don't see your cousin much, right.

Oho! Easily identifiable..for that, I'd thwap you :-p

Well,there are always these macho males.

And technically speaking my mom didn't take dad's name but you know my last name and it's as common here as is your maiden name...so yeah. She can pretend if their last names were different she wouldn't've changed it.

So, you're just supposed to keep your father's name. (I guess it's easy to track your mother, right? through birth?). But I think the previous generation didn't change their name.

Now...people...well my sister-in-law and her sisters didn't. My sister didn't. I wouldn't (HYPOTHETICAL).

I think people in T&T do as they like.
I don't think the name changes automatically on marriage even tho people might assume that you'll be called different...and if you start using it you'll start signing up for new docs differently.
I could ask the lawyer...she knows more people than I'll ever know.
The name doesn't change automatically on marriage in the US, either. We each had an opportunity to change our names (he could've changed to mine, or like one of the UMass CS profs, both people could change their names to something completely different).

Hee hee on the "(HYPOTHETICAL)". I do the same thing whenever the slightest glimmer of a suspicion or rumor might be started about The Next Big Transition. So no teasing from me, despite what other people might do...

Thwaps are imminent
I will say nothing except that you both are as well-prepared for The Next Big Transition as anyone, and much better-prepared than most people.

(I would like you to know that a piece of pizza was flung at my head while I was typing that by the result of The Last -- And We Mean Last -- Big Transition.)

Edit: It occurs to me that you might have been talking about getting a dog. Or remodelling the kitchen. Whoops.

Edited at 2008-08-29 04:21 pm (UTC)
Thwap if you must, but my wife's mother's name is Gutierrez. So every time my wife had to register at school, they would just automatically stick her in an ESL (English as a Second Language) class. This for someone who was reading Jane Austen in elementary school, who was like #4 in her senior class, right?

So they'd put her in ESL, and her mother would freak out and go down the school and present herself -- a white-as-a-sheet, blonde, Very Obviously of Swedish Ancestry woman -- and say, "You have fifteen minutes to get her schedule right or I'm going straight to the Board with a discrimination complaint."

Having the same name as your children can be very, very useful. It can stop the freight train of thoughtless racism.
yeah but why pander to silly thoughtless racists...
(ok ok use whatever name you want)
Well, "Mr. and Mrs. John Doe" has become entrenched, but yes, I agree with you on most of it. Mrs. vs. Miss, however, is just so that the invited woman knows whether or not the host intends to fling eligible bachelors at her.

Women, you see, can't possibly be happy without a man.


*remove tongue from cheek*

The Latino way must drive you crazy, then: let's say that Hector Salcedo and Maria Mendez have a boy (Juan Pablo Salcedo y Mendez) and Jose Acevedo and Pilar Echeverria have a girl (Josefina Lorena Acevedo y Echeverria). When those two children get married, the girl becomes Josefina Lorena Salcedo de Acevedo -- "of" her husband's father's name, and all the women in the family drop out totally. Talk about patriarchal!

Just to close with a funny anecdote -- a similar discussion with Mrs. David Lieberman (and a similar rant, and a book thrown at my head) resulted in my Blockbuster Video membership being registered as "Mrs. and Mr. Linnea Adler" -- so when I want to rent a video, because I refuse to carry that stupid card on my keychain, I have to tell them my phone number and that I am David Adler.
LOL! I love it! Linnea knows exactly what's she's doing. Awesome woman.

Yes, there are many entrenched patriarchal things that (a) you don't notice until someone points it out to you and (b) are not worth tilting at.

For example, the excellent graphic novel series Y: The Last Man points out that even though there's only one guy left alive, it's enough for the French-speaking world to be forced to refer to the planet's population as "ils" instead of "elles".
Aha, but!

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French actually has three genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. The neuter is just about useless, because it doesn't have its own declensions (like the -o ending in Russian or "das" in German) nor does it have the wussy little wimp-out case (like "lo" in Spanish or Italian). But technically ils just refers to a group that contains more than one gender. The presence of a neuter simply makes it LOOK like it's male.

Think of it this way: women are special and have a separate word reserved for groups of only women. Men have to share their group with women, iPods, Bucky balls, photo frames, cornbread and turds (all technically neuter, except the women naturally).

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Yes, from that perspective I feel all special now. Thanks.

(Am now picturing you and jcobleigh standing amidst a large pile of randomly discarded objects, holding a sign that says, "Accurately referred to as 'ils'", while Linnea and I snap pictures and compare our Blockbuster cards.)

::getting a bit punchy, must go to bed::