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I turned in my dissertation last week! I'll officially be a doctor on 9/1/2008. Woot! :)

Now on to writing the journal version...and then maybe my academic obligations will be fully discharged. I expect that this won't be quite as taxing, since it's mostly going to involve cutting stuff and refining it so that it flows smoothly.

In other news, I signed up for a pencil drawing & sketching class at my local tech school, so I'll be happily sketching away this fall! I've been self-taught up to this point, but it's long been a dream of mine to get some official training, maybe move on to learning how to use color (oooh!)

jcobleigh and I have started watching the first season of Stargate: Atlantis on DVD. It's fun watching the characters in their earlier years. First few eps are surprisingly good. The show doesn't reach the heights of the new Battlestar Galactica or Babylon 5, but it's roughly equivalent to the generic sci-fi fun, refreshingly non-soap-operatic, occasionally interesting thoughts of Stargate: SG-1, so I'm satisfied.

God (and life) is good.



So this renews a question which jcobleigh has never adequately answered: after Monday, how would things like invitations be addressed to you?

No, wait, really. For those of us who do not aspire to the pinnacle of the academic world but have got married, formal social invitations are sent to Mr. and Mrs. John Doe. As it stands right now, with the man being the doctor and the woman not, it's not too hard: Dr. and Mrs. John Doe. But when the woman gets her doctorate, do you become Dr. and Dr. John Doe? Drs. John Doe?

Or do we defenestrate all such old-fashioned "look at the little woman getting her big fancy learnin'" crap and go with "Dr. John and Dr. Jane Doe" or "Drs. John and Jane Doe"?
Hmmm I thought Drs John Doe...or The Drs Doe...hmmm
and why is it that the first thing i thought of, also, was addressing invites
Nice picture! You look all contemplative, thoughtful, slightly amused, and a little bit like you're planning to call me "freaky".
it was my birthday and i had limited time...because the babies were waking up and i think their mom went for a stroll...and imagine doing a self-portrait in a little diner/grill shop booth...!
What's funny to me is that even though I know objectively that you are wearing a head-scarf, every time I see it I think you've gone and got dreadlocks. It's just the way the shadows lie, and my own problems seeing colours in darkness.
For wedding invitations, Emily Post says:
  • The Doctors Kelly (omit first names)
  • Drs. Jane and John Kelly
  • Drs. John and Jane Kelly
  • Dr. John Kelly and Dr. Jane Kelly
  • Dr. Jane Kelly and Dr. John Kelly
aha! I knew The Drs Joe except it looked funny because I abbreviated the Drs...which you know...is hard to tell when you're saying it out loud

"The Doctors Cobleigh" would be a great title for a long-winded, meandering Russian novel. Or a John Irving novel, but that would just be offensive.

Linnea thinks it sounds like an old English cottage out of an Agatha Christie novel.

The Good Doctors Cobleigh
Laburnum Cottage
Ketchup-upon-Trousers, Wilts.
agatha christie
very quaint yes
You just pushed a button, so here we go:


"Mr. and Mrs. John Doe"?!!

It makes the woman look like she's just disappeared inside the guy and is a nameless, faceless entity! I don't suppose "Mrs. and Mr. Jane Doe" would feel terribly appealing to a guy, either!

There should be no reason, except for the expected mindset of people in our grandparents' generation (and perhaps a few hangers-on from our parents' generation) to address things to anyone other than "Mr. John and Mrs. Jane Doe", if we must be formal about such things. If a woman doesn't take on her husband's last name (or ::gasp:: doesn't marry him at all), she would certainly be given her own name in the address. Married women aren't choosing to disappear, they're just choosing consistency.

Same with "Dr. and Mrs.", "Dr. and Mr.", and "Drs."

"The Drs. Doe" looks all weird and funky, so I think I prefer that. :)

But "Dr. John and Dr. Jane Doe" is fine, as is "Drs. John and Jane Doe".

Defenestration my ass, it should never be about the big fancy female learnin' stuff, but rather the essential fact that she's separate and equally deserving of recognition, no matter her age or level of education.

Personally, except when in "really formal" situations, I prefer "Ms.". "Mr." doesn't reveal anything about sexual availability, so why should the feminine address be forced to?

Can you believe women in this day and age are picking consistency??
Tsk Tsk Tsk


(my cousin's getting married...i *rant* here)

I like "The Doctors Doe". It's very impressive.

I know! It is a shame! I didn't want to hyphenate, the new surname is more interesting than my maiden name, and I wanted us both to have the same last name as our kids, so we'd be easily identifiable. How does it work in T&T / Muslim culture?
Well, "Mr. and Mrs. John Doe" has become entrenched, but yes, I agree with you on most of it. Mrs. vs. Miss, however, is just so that the invited woman knows whether or not the host intends to fling eligible bachelors at her.

Women, you see, can't possibly be happy without a man.


*remove tongue from cheek*

The Latino way must drive you crazy, then: let's say that Hector Salcedo and Maria Mendez have a boy (Juan Pablo Salcedo y Mendez) and Jose Acevedo and Pilar Echeverria have a girl (Josefina Lorena Acevedo y Echeverria). When those two children get married, the girl becomes Josefina Lorena Salcedo de Acevedo -- "of" her husband's father's name, and all the women in the family drop out totally. Talk about patriarchal!

Just to close with a funny anecdote -- a similar discussion with Mrs. David Lieberman (and a similar rant, and a book thrown at my head) resulted in my Blockbuster Video membership being registered as "Mrs. and Mr. Linnea Adler" -- so when I want to rent a video, because I refuse to carry that stupid card on my keychain, I have to tell them my phone number and that I am David Adler.
LOL! I love it! Linnea knows exactly what's she's doing. Awesome woman.

Yes, there are many entrenched patriarchal things that (a) you don't notice until someone points it out to you and (b) are not worth tilting at.

For example, the excellent graphic novel series Y: The Last Man points out that even though there's only one guy left alive, it's enough for the French-speaking world to be forced to refer to the planet's population as "ils" instead of "elles".