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TIME Magazine, 21 June 2004; cover article: "Faith, God & The Oval Office" by Nancy Gibbs

"'People don't want a President to think that every important decision has a stamp of God's approval and that God is always on his side,' says ethicist Cromartie. 'I think people want their Presidents to be pious but not self-righteously so. So there's a paradox, isn't there? A President has to seem to be relying on God's wisdom but not acting like all his decisions are God's decisions.' It's the difference between praying that you're right and believing that prayer makes you right."

"'We began to see the upsurge of religious rhetoric in the late 1990s,' Lynn says. 'There was this real sense of moral malaise in the country, among liberals and conservatives alike. They might not be able to agree on the morality, but they all agreed we didn't have enough of it.' The Columbine shootings, the impeachment battle, the corporate crookery all piled up and 'led many if not most Americans to conclude that the country had lost its moral compass,' says Green."

"'I'm not a believer in God," says Gullett, 'but I recognize that faith is a morally guiding force in most people's lives. I believe President Bush has brought honor back to the White House because of his faith. I don't see the religious community being upset with him. I see the nonreligious community being upset with him because they see faith as a threat to liberal thought.'"


Re: Dipping my toe in a possible discussion :)

Yes...it's not about trying to change anyone else, but living, thinking about how you live, expressing yourself without feeling the need to dominate, and trying to live like Christ. I still disagree with you on the idea of Christians being indistinguishable from other moral people who don't believe in Christ (why bother being specific about believing in Christ then?), but that is as it is. :)

As for religiopolitics, yes--I have definitely experienced distasteful political stuff coming out of the pulpit, shrouded with "this is the pastor, thus you shouldn't oppose him," etc., but I didn't let it lay there. I didn't try to rant at him in public--no point in humiliating someone because I disagree with their politics--but I did let him know that I disagreed with him, and that I didn't require a response from him. It wasn't opening a debate, it was (in my mind), a call to reconsider. He told me once, a long time ago, that he could say hard things to me because he respected me enough to tell me the truth and he knew I could take it without getting offended and breaking off communication with him. I returned the favor, and while he's never explicitly responded to my critique, we remain on good terms and I have not heard the ranting coming from the pulpit since.